What’s mindfulness actually? In response to one fourth-grader, “Not hitting somebody within the mouth.” On this episode of the Being Properly Podcast, legendary meditation trainer Sharon Salzberg joins Rick and Forrest to debate how we are able to work skillfully with anger, worry, and reactivity with out turning into doormats or numbing ourselves out by way of the lens of her new youngsters’s guide Form Karl.
They discover the protecting perform of anger, and the way we are able to create extra space by relating in another way to our ideas, feelings, and sense of self. Sharon shares a Buddhist lens that hyperlinks anger and worry, and the way wanting intently at “what’s within the anger” may help us get readability with out collateral injury. Alongside the best way, they speak in regards to the distinction between wholesome ethical anger and the behavior of anger, extract the optimistic power from troublesome feelings with out getting burned, and the way lovingkindness and self-compassion might be energetic, strengthening forces.
About our Visitor: Sharon Salzberg is the co-founder of the Perception Meditation Society, a world-renowned trainer of mindfulness, and creator or co-author of 14 books together with her seminal work Lovingkindness and her first youngsters’s guide Form Karl: A Little Crocodile with Huge Emotions.
Key Subjects
- 0:00: Intro and Sharon’s new youngsters’s guide
- 1:30: Rick and Sharon’s private historical past
- 3:40: Making summary ideas direct and easy
- 6:00: “Mindfulness means not hitting somebody within the mouth.”
- 12:30: Equanimity, reactivity, and our relationship with pleasure and ache
- 26:48: Wholesome ethical anger and outrage
- 34:17: How mindfulness decenters the self
- 43:53: Decoupling identification from states of struggling
- 50:23: Dissolving boundaries, self safety, and loneliness
- 1:03:09: Recap
Forrest is now writing on Substack, try his work there.


